Will Ryan's Budget Plan Get Tea Party Endorsement?
My Forbes column today is about Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget plan, which would eliminate the federal debt solely through spending cuts including the effective abolition of Medicare. I suggest that any members of the so-called tea party crowd or its putative leaders, such as Sarah Palin, who are unwilling to endorse it or put forward another budget plan equally as large, specific and comprehensive does not deserve the right to oppose tax increases or be taken seriously. It is, as I say, the budgetary Holy Grail for this crowd and they should know the full consequences of what they say they believe. In that respect, I think Ryan’s plan is very valuable.
For a long time I have maintained that a significant tax increase will be necessary if we are to avoid the fate of Greece, which is in the midst of a fiscal meltdown. If the bankruptcy of a little country like that can cause world financial markets to tank, imagine what a potential U.S. bankruptcy would do to your 401(k).
Whenever I make this point people always complain that I haven't considered the option of cutting spending. The reason I haven't is that the magnitude of spending cuts that would be required to prevent the need for higher revenues would be politically impossible to achieve. We saw proof of this when Barack Obama proposed cutting Medicare spending by a small amount to fund health coverage for the uninsured, and the Republican Party's official position was to oppose any cut for any reason. We saw more proof in how quickly Republican leaders distanced themselves from a detailed budget plan recently put forward by Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee.
Ryan unveiled the latest version of his plan on Jan. 27 and, to his credit, even got the Congressional Budget Office to score it. According to the CBO, under the Ryan plan federal debt as a share of the gross domestic product (GDP) would rise from 61% this year to 100% in the year 2045 before falling to zero in 2080. Under the CBO's baseline budget projection, debt would equal 270% of GDP in 2045 and 716% in 2080.
Ryan achieves this result without any tax increase at all--100% of the debt reduction comes from lower spending. It is, in short, the budgetary Holy Grail for the tea party crowd. But would they actually support it if they knew exactly what it would entail to abolish the federal debt solely by cutting spending?
Many polls show that the vast majority of Americans have no idea of the true composition of federal spending. According to a recent Rasmussen survey, just 35% of Americans know that Social Security, Medicare and national defense spending constitute more than 50% of the federal budget. Polls consistently show that most people grossly overstate the percentage of foreign aid in the budget. A 2001 poll showed that half of all Americans thought foreign aid comprised at least 20% of the budget, and the average response was 25%. In fact, foreign aid is less than 1% of the budget and has been for decades.
Consequently, most people tend to think that balancing the budget is a relatively easy task just requiring political will, something that would not affect them personally. Even members of Congress often give the impression that all we have to do is eliminate earmarks and pork barrel spending and that would be enough. In fact, according to Citizens Against Government Waste, a watchdog group, there was only $19.6 billion of pork in the budget last year, less than 1% of federal spending.
The truth is that the big money is in two federal programs: Social Security and Medicare. However, it is extremely rare to hear any of those concerned about federal spending target these programs for cuts. One reason is that Medicare alone covers about 45 million people, 22% of the voting-age population. Moreover, according to Census Bureau data, those over age 65--virtually all of whom qualify for Medicare--vote in the highest percentages of any age group. Consequently, any effort to reduce benefits for this population is going to confront strenuous opposition, which explains Republican pandering on Medicare during the health care debate.
Therefore, it is really heroic that Rep. Ryan did not shrink away from confronting head-on the necessity of slashing entitlements for the elderly in order to achieve his goal of abolishing the federal debt without an increase in the tax-to-GDP ratio.
On Social Security Ryan would reduce initial benefits for retirees by changing the benefit formula. Private accounts would be established immediately for those under age 55 that would be partially funded by payroll taxes.
Ryan would also raise the age to qualify for Medicare from 65 to 69 years and 6 months for people born in the year 2022. After the year 2021, the Medicare program as we know it would cease to exist. Instead of receiving health benefits through Medicare, those over age 65 would instead receive government vouchers worth $5,900. These vouchers would be adjusted for age and health status, which would put the average voucher at $11,000. Medicare beneficiaries would buy private health insurance with the vouchers.
These amounts are considerably less than estimated Medicare spending per enrollee in 2022, so there is a sharp cut in spending right off the bat. Furthermore, these amounts would only be indexed to half the historical rate of price inflation for medical care. This means that the real, inflation-adjusted voucher amount would fall continuously. To cover the shortfall, Medicare beneficiaries would either have to pay out of their own pockets for medical care or buy private insurance over and above what could be purchased with the Medicare vouchers.
Workers would also likely see a sharp reduction in their health benefits as well because Ryan would abolish the tax exclusion for health insurance. In other words, workers would have to treat whatever their employer pays for health insurance as if it were cash income. Workers would instead receive a new tax credit not to exceed $5,700 per family. It is not clear whether the credit amount would be indexed to inflation. This provision would constitute a significant tax increase for many workers.
In short, the core of Ryan's proposal is to implement George W. Bush's plan to privatize Social Security, which got virtually no public support even when the stock market was booming, and essentially abolish Medicare altogether while raising taxes on the health benefits of most workers. He basically assumes that the market for health insurance would somehow adjust to prevent a significant cut in the quality of health care.
The Ryan plan is, of course, politically ludicrous. It would be impossible to get Congress to even implement one of its major provisions, let alone all of them simultaneously. And I say this as someone who in principle supports many of the ideas in his plan. For example, I believe we must raise the retirement age, and it's hard to see how we can meaningfully reform the health system to reduce cost inflation as long as health insurance is free of taxation. But I don't delude myself that it is possible to implement such changes absent a major transformation in political attitudes or conditions that do not now exist.
That is why I think it is far more realistic to assume that nothing remotely like the Ryan plan has a snowball's chance in you-know-where. More than likely, we will continue on our present course with minor nibbles around the edges of programs like Social Security and Medicare. The only major benefit cut I can envision at all is a rise in the age to qualify for benefits, but that is only because it would have to be phased in so slowly that no one anywhere near retirement would be affected.
That is why I think tax increases will be the default position when a Greece-like fiscal nightmare hits, which is inevitable if current tax and spending trends continue. Those that are adamantly opposed to any tax increase to deal with this inevitability must--I repeat, must--be willing to support cuts in Social Security and Medicare of the magnitude proposed by Rep. Ryan, and they must begin working to implement those cuts today.
In my opinion, support for the Ryan plan must be the minimum requirement for anyone who considers themselves members of the tea party brigade and any politician seeking its endorsement. If those like former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, the current darling of the tea party crowd, are unwilling to immediately and unequivocally endorse the Ryan plan or put forward something equally serious and comprehensive, then in my opinion they have no credibility on the budget and no right to oppose the sorts of tax increases that I believe are unavoidable.
I think it is irresponsible to say, as almost all tea party goers do, that they are unalterably opposed to tax increases without specifying spending cuts--large cuts in popular programs that go far beyond foreign aid, earmarks and even a budget freeze. And if they are serious they must admit that coming anywhere close to budget balance cannot be done without slashing Social Security and Medicare benefits. There's no way around that and anyone who says so is either ignorant or a fool.
When I see people like Paul Ryan addressing large tea party conventions and receiving standing ovations for his budget plan, maybe I will begin to think it is possible to avoid a massive tax increase. But right now, I don't see even the tiniest glimmer of understanding among the tea party crowd about the true nature of our budget problem and what it would take to avoid a major tax increase.
The next time I see pictures of a tea party crowd I will be looking carefully for signs that say "Abolish Medicare," "Raise the Retirement Age" and "Support the Ryan Plan!" I won't hold my breath waiting.
Note:
Derek Thompson comments here. Megan McArdle comments here. Kevin Drum comments here. Andrew Sullivan comments here. Gene Healy comments here.

Bachmann came close
with her statement the other day (we need to "wean Americans from Medicare and Social Security"), but she did not explicitly endorse the Ryan plan.
And today her office is backing off on her statement:
http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/84182197.html
I agree with you -- the Ryan plan should be the "purity" test for TEA party candidates.
Bachmann
I saw that she endorsed Ryan's plan. If so, my respect for her has increased. I am waiting for Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and all the others to do the same.
Bachmann mentions it again
but does not say she endorses it, here in this enlightening interview:
http://www.sctimes.com/article/20100214/NEWS01/102140020/-1/RSSTOP
She calls herself a "fairly new freshman" although she's into her second term.
Ryan should be on the table along with other options
The Ryan roadmap and simply raising income tax rates are two ends a spectrum with many options between the two. All of them should at least be put forward for discussion. Other alternatives include:
Adopting a VAT with high rates and no reduction in spending;
Moderately increasing income tax rates and cutting spending less severely then Ryan proposes; and
Adopting a VAT with moderate rates and cutting spending less severely than Ryan proposes.
I am sure that keener intelects than my own could identify additional options.
The advantages of the pure spending cut approach are that it is easy to explain and settles the issue for the long term. The disadvantage is the high social disruption it could cause and the near impossible political task of getting it adopted.
The advantages of a pure revenue increase apporach (VAT or Income Tax) is it is relatively easy to explain and could be adopted during a crises situation with less (but not insignifcant) political opposition. The disadvantage is that it merely delays the inevitable. As we are learning from several nations in Europe and several states in the U.S., if revenues are increased with no corresponding limits on spending programs, outlays will simply rise to match the new revenues leaving the jurisdiction in an even worse deficit/debt situation with no remaining room to increse revenues and facing the need for truly draconian spending cuts.
The advantages of revenue increases linked to strong spending controls and moderate spending reductions is they avoid larger more draconian cuts while bringing in additional funds to address current debts. The disadvantages are the required tradeoffs can be difficult to explain and may be gamed by special interests in the negotiating process.
The alternative that dares not say its name is default by inflation or fiat. The damage to the bond market would be off the scale, as well as the negative impact on families and individuals on fixed incomes. Nevertheless, that is the default alternative if no other is chosen. It is also the inevitable alternative merely delayed by any that does not include strong spending controls and moderate spending reductions.
Ryan's proposal may require spending cuts that are too draconian to be politicaly acceptable; but it does avoid default. Unless the current budget problems of California, Portugal, Michigan, Ireland, New Jersey, Greece, New York and Spain are complete aberations, which seems doubtful, revenue only proposals may delay default but they only make the situation worse over time, not better.
I would advocate some form of blended approach despite the difficulties of explaining and enacting it. A VAT with low to moderate rates would probably be best to raise revenues, possibly paired with some of the flat tax reforms Ryan includes in his proposal. The spending could be reduced by increasing existing premiums, copays and deductables within Medicare using a means test to link the increases to ability to pay. Additional spending cuts can be achieved in SS with either means tests or making benefits fully taxable. We would also need hard discretionary spending caps and additional reforms of other entitlement programs.
So, no Ryan would not be my first choice. But if the only alternatives are Ryan, default or pure tax increases; than it is the most realistic of the three.
You should mention military
You should mention military spending, if you are talking about cutting funding from where the money is:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/02/the_budget_in_boxes....
In addition, while Social Security is a large component of the budget, it is not in that bad shape long-term, due to what it takes in.
The Medicare problem is a cost-of-health-care problem; if we spent only 120% as much as the rest of the world for worse outcomes, instead of 200%, we wouldn't be in such bad shape. Better to focus on that than on making health care less accessible (and lessening the quality of life) for Americans.
The Ryan Plan is half the battle
The Ryan Plan is very bold and (as you stated) politically impossible. But, assuming arguendo, that the Ryan Plan had any chance of passing it fails to tackle the astronomical and ongoing rise in health care costs. Essentially, seniors would be left without a lifeboat.
Does Ryan also propose anything to rein in health insurance and health care costs also?
What about...?
... Bruce, the Ryan plan is audacious, and, as you say, politically ludicrous. But the tea partiers are full of people who have beefs against any government spending beyond defense, homeland security, and SS/Medicare. There are Education, HHS, Transportation, Agriculture, and the IRS (which, they say, could be virtually eliminated under the Fair Tax plan). One of my former friends, a rabid tea-partier, was singularly focused on getting rid of the Dept. of Education, though on religious rather than economic grounds (teaching sex education in schools, letting gays teach, prohibiting Bible study, etc.). Eliminating these large departments could conceivably put a dent in the budget and forestall the large cuts in Medicare and SS under the Ryan plan.
Since I'm not a budget wonk, perhaps you could comment on the contributions to the overall budget these departments make. I can definitely understand the irrational focus on small potatoes issues like foreign aid and earmarks, but there are, according to the tea partiers, legitimate ways to cut spending without wholesale elimination of entitlements.
What say you?
Just two thoughts
First,
Anyone who doesn't want to endorse Ryan's plan should be encouraged to provide an alternative that achieves the same end. It is far too easy to just criticize something that only involves difficult tradeoffs.
Fine enough to ask anyone to endorse it or not; but, if not, they should either say that they are comfortable with the CBO or OMB baseline forecasts (insolvency or hyperinflation or both) or propose an alternative.
Second, I have three specific critiques of Ryan's plan.
A. It doesn't make a difference soon enough and making a difference sooner will require more radical adjustment to SS and Medicare in the short run. In my opinion this means means testing. Why should we perpetuate a system where the less well off (the young) give the the more well off (top 20% of seniors). Remember, the top 20% of senior HHs have an average net worth of north of 500,000. This is in stark contrast to the overall median of somewhere closer to 70,000. From a pure equity perspective, means testing is, in my mind, more fair than raising the retirement age since those who are asked to bear the burden are those who are most able to.
B. It's nonspecific on taxes. I think the simplest way to go here is to simply allow all of the Bush and Obama tax cuts to expire. Per the CBO, this puts you at between 20 and 21 percent of GDP in revenues by 2020, about 19.5 percent by 2015. This is enough to accomplish the job. Ryan's plan isn't scored by the CBO and my gut tells me that, if scored, it would come in below the 19 percent he asked them to assume.
C. It leaves the business tax code largely untouched. I'd like to see the business tax code substantially reformed so that tax incentives for particular industries are eliminated. I don't think the government should be in the business of incenting one business or industry over another.
With the changes above, you could move much more quickly to balance and achieve something that could cause all sides to hold their noses and vote yes. It would also give us more time to work on the long term future of entitlements, once we've established a principle that we don't transfer money from the relatively worse off to the relatively better off solely on the basis of age.
All of your modifications
All of your modifications seem like sensible improvements to me, except that I wouldn't want to totally exclude subsidies (whether as tax expenditure subsidies or their more explicit twin, "spending" subsidies) for industries/products/services that have sufficient positive externalities to be worthwhile, IF we could avoid getting a lot of dirty bathwater with that baby. For example, perhaps some subsidies for development of renewable energy technologies would be net beneficial, although again, only if our political process wouldn't turn that into stupid stuff like those corn ethanol subsidies (big "IF").
Also, a caveat re: your "A" is that if we aim to reduce benefits of a large enough number of current seniors to free up much money, the political difficulty may become even greater, even net of some reduction in the size of that "cut" enabled by the higher revenues you suggest in your "B" (but obviously the matters of degree and net effect on political viability depend in part on the particular magnitudes, so it's possible that your modification would make it more politically viable than Ryan's plan in its current form, on balance).
thanks
Fair enough Brooks, but I guess I don't think you can get home without addressing Medicare and SS. And I think there are only 2 ways to address them conceptually...eligibility (retirement age and/or means testing) and payments (across the board or means testing).
If you accept that premise, I think means testing on eligibility is the most straightfoward and equitable solution. The 20% number is a convenient one for me because, as a practical matter, that's how most of the easily accessible data on income and wealth distribution is split. Whether it's the "right" number or not, I don't know.
The alternative to me is to either reduce the number of recipients by increasing the retirement age which will both have lower impact (some will qualify for Medicaid/Welfare) and be less equitable (those who don't qualify for welfare but could still use the support more than Warren Buffett) or to means test in some other way and take money away from less wealthy seniors to give to more wealthy ones (again to achieve the same net impact).
The political difficulty is massive but so will it be for any solution. My belief is that there may well be broader support for an argument based on equity (don't take from the less well off to give to the more well off) than there would be for an argument on pure we need to do this to save money grounds.
To your point on keeping some subsidies in the code, I guess again I'm aiming for expediency. I think once you open the door, you are too open to a debate about what's a good subsidy versus a bad one. Better to junk them all and accept there will be some loss from that than to get the trash you will get with even a slightly open door in my view.
All good points.
All good points.
As Bruce comments above
I don't think Ryan's plan is viable for two reasons...
1. It doesn't really work quickly and so, it's all about binding future politicians which is not something I'd feel positive about.
2. It's too complicated for people to understand and therefore, too easy to demonize. This is to me, the lesson of the last dozen years or so. Complex legislation doesn't work very well. People need to understand what's going or it's too easy to make stuff up to make things look bad.
This beyond the point that it's an all spending plan which I think is a third reason that Bruce covers well in his initial post.
Does Ryan's Plan Cut Payroll Taxes Too?
If Paul Ryan's plan cuts Social Security and Medicare benefits while retaining the current payroll taxes, I'd like to know if the CBO scoring shows these programs running even or at a surplus. If it's a surplus, Ryan is trying to balance the budget with a back-door tax increase on low and middle income workers.
I don't think we can realistically raise the retirement age too much. I've met too many people in their 60s that aren't really fit to work, despite our average lifespan going up.
I think that indexing Social Security benefits by CPI rather than wages and raising the Social Security cap would work, but I'd hesitate to implement it until we are not running a surplus. Politicians simply can't be trusted with any type of surplus.
It also appears that Ryan refuses to touch Defense. That too is unrealistic. We can't reasonably expect to spend more on defense than the next 10 nations combined.
No surplus
LFC,
No government program has a surplus or a deficit. The government takes in money and it spends more than it takes in. It makes no sense to argue about whether a program is "in balance" or not. The only sensible discussion is the government in balance and is the total tax burden fair and reasonable. Any parsing is just a waste of time, since, as you point out, government spends all the money it takes in (and more) regardless of source.
potential VAT revenues
An article in the TimesOnline says that the UK is considering an increase in their VAT from 17.5% to 20%. They estimated additional revenues to be on the order of 13 Billion Pounds (about $20.4 Billion). The UK has a GDP of $2.65 Trillion.
Doing a little arithmetic, we get that each percentage of VAT in the UK nets additional tax revenues of about 0.3% of GDP.
Let's oversimplify and assume a similar revenue rate works linearly for the US. That would mean that each 1% of VAT might draw an extra $44 Billion a year.
Now, total retail sales in the US are projected to be around $4.7 Trillion a year - so every 1% of a national retail sales tax would produce about $47 Billion. The numbers are pretty close.
But deficit projections for the next decade average somewhere around 5% of GDP. 5%/0.3% = 17% VAT to balance the budget without any major structural changes to the entitlement programs. You might be able to whittle that down a bit with some delays in eligibility age, etc... but probably not very much.
That's a hefty tax that people will see in the prices of everything they consume which will unavoidably and substantially lower standards of living for families with low-to-moderate incomes. Maybe that's what's needed to sustain the welfare state, but it's not a trivial change.
Ok, here's the bottom line: Beyond intuitive political judgment, what reason do we have to believe that such a tax is less ludicrous and more palatable than the Ryan plan. The Ryan plan, at least, has the old political trick of pushing off most of the pain into the far future to make it just barely conceivable that some amount of present-day support could be generated. The VAT is pain today.
We have:
1. No tax today, large cuts tomorrow vs
2. No cuts tomorrow, heavy taxes today.
A pretty hard sell in either case, no?
Roadmap to Nowhere
Bruce wrote:
"Ryan achieves this result without any tax increase at all--100% of the debt reduction comes from lower spending."
Actually the truth is far murkier. It turns out that the CBO drew Ryan's "Roadmap" in crayon as per his staff's request.
The CBO assumed this wonderful outcome would occur only if the revenue portion of Ryan's "plan" generated 19 percent of GDP in taxes. And there is not the slightest evidence that would happen. Even though Ryan's plan has a detailed tax component, his staff asked CBO to ignore it. Rather than estimate the true revenue effects of the Ryan plan, CBO simply assumed, as the lawmaker requested, that it would generate revenues of 19 percent of GDP.
You know the old joke: Two economists are stranded on a desert island with only canned food to eat. But they have no way to open the containers. "What do we do," asks one. "Assume a can opener," replies the other.
When it comes to Ryan's plan, CBO has, in effect, assumed the can opener.
That's not all. CBO does not actually analyze many of the specifics of Ryan's plan. Rather it looked only at what Doug called a "highly stylized" version of Ryan's tax and Medicaid reforms.
In fairness, the CBO letter is filled with such disclaimers. In the second paragraph, it says, "This analysis does not represent a cost estimate for this legislation." It couldn't be more clear, but this is Washington, where nobody ever gets to the second paragraph.
Here's the CBO's analysis of Ryan's Roadmap to Nowhere. It mentions the fact that Ryan's staff asked the CBO to totally ignore the tax component on page four:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc10851/01-27-Ryan-Roadmap-Letter.pdf
Last week, Jonathan Chait called Republican budget sorta-kinda point man Paul Ryan "crazy but honest." I agree with the first part.
So Mark
What's your alternative?
Tax Reform
I don't have any delusions about dramatic cuts in spending. I would like to see taxes collected as efficiently as possible. I would like to see a broad based consumption tax of some sort implemented in replacement of all of our current federal taxes.
So Mark, can I take that to
So Mark, can I take that to mean that you think the right solution is to replace the current tax regime with a consumption or other flat tax and do nothing to spending?
The current Obama budget predicts spending as a percentage of GDP at over 24% in a full-employment, low inflation economy in 2020. I assume that's OK with you despite the fact that it would represent the highest level of spending outside wartime by more than 4 percentage points.
Good luck explaining the 50 percent tax increase to the voters.
Good Luck Cutting SS and Medicare
First, let's get our figures right:
The OMB is forecasting that federal spending will be 23.7% of GDP in FY 2020 (the CBO is forecasting it to be 23.3%). Federal spending was consistently above 20% of GDP from 1975 through 1996 (cyclically adjusted or otherwise). It peaked at 22.8% of GDP in FY 1985, only 0.9% of GDP below the OMB forecast for FY 2020, not 4%.
Second, what's the political feasability of cutting SS and Medicare? Zilch. The Republicans (other than Ryan) have locked up the senior vote by promising no cuts will ever take place. Democrats are trying to bend the cost curve on Medicare but seemingly are unable to do so despite controlling the congress and the presidency. How will these spending cuts ever happen in such a political landscape? It's just a tea party fantasy.
Third, various tax reform idea are being proposed on both sides of the political aisle that differ more in labels than in substance (VAT versus BBCT for example). The reality is that tax reform is probably more feasible than fiddling with entitlements (the current "third rail").
Fourth, we don't need to balance the budget, we merely need to prevent public debt from growing as a percent of GDP. Thus we don't need to raise revenues to 23.3% of GDP, merely 20.3% or so. Since revenues have averaged about 19% of GDP for most of the post-WW II period, that represents a tax increase of about 7%, not 50%.
Fifth, how about cutting defense and security spending which ballooned under Bush, growing from 3.6% to 5.6% of GDP. At $800 billion a year this is more than the rest of the planet combined.
First, above 20 and above 23
First, above 20 and above 23 aren't the same thing. There are exactly 2 postwar years where spending was above 23 percent at the height of the bankrupt the Russians plan. Since every point is about $200 billion, it's kind of important how far we are above 20.
Second, if the argument is all about political feasibility then we're all guessing. Nothing looks politically feasible, that's the problem.
Third is you making another political feasibility argument. I find it amusing that most people argue that there preferred solution is more politically feasible. Frees them of the burden of defending it on the merits.
Fourth, we do need to roughly balance the budget during full employment and low inflation (what the OMB has projected for the back half of this decade). That's what allows us to run the types of deficits we are running from FY09 to FY11. Even arguing an average of 3% is dangerous because it assumes GDP growth of 3% in perpetuity. I hope that's the case but it is by no means certain.
Fifth, please provide a cite for the point. CBO's got defense in at 690 billion for 2010. OMB has it at $720 in 2010. Neither is 800. I believe defense can be cut but it's not going to solve a $1 trillion problem.
Finally, take a look at the administration's outyear forecast and come back and tell me how you plan to solve the problem by not touching entitlements. Leaving them alone now is short-term thinking.ep
The Real Problem is After FY 2020
Spending for defense, veterans, homeland security, and international affairs plus all the supplemental and emergency appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan totaled about $800 billion in FY 2008. This was 5.6% of GDP up from 3.6% in FY 2001. A good discussion of how defense and security spending grew rapidly (much of it off-budget) under Bush is here:
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=125
The CBO is projecting the federal debt held by the public to reach 65.3% of GDP in FY 2011. After consistently running deficits in the $600-$800 billion range over the next nine years, with interest on the debt back at normal levels, the federal debt is projected to still only be 66.3% of GDP in FY 2020. See Table 1-3:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc10871/01-26-Outlook.pdf
The real fiscal problem is not in the midterm. It is later when Medicare expenditures are expected balloon.
Failure to cut spending is the true delusion
We either cut spending or all the revenue raising intiatives become just shoveling sand against the sea. Southern Europe is already domenstrating the fiscal folly of promising more than can rationally be delivered.
The public demand to provide upper middleclass lifestyles for everyone, regardless of the individuals economic contributions and financed with transfer payments, will always be insatiable. It will also inevitably bankrupt any nation which tries to appease it. We could raise revenues to 110 percent of GDP and the compassion/entitlement special interests would demand more. Sooner or later the well runs dry.
If we are unwilling to face this reality by reigning in all forms of spending (entitlement, defense, domestic etc), we might as well default on a realtively smaller debt now rather than default on a much larger debt in the future.
The key word is "all"
There is no doubt that entitlements and defense spending are the big budget busters. While it is admirable of Rep. Ryan to attempt to provide a roadmap to success on the budget by substantially cutting and eventually eliminating Medicare and Social Security (programs he can't stand), what I found most interesting is that he is unwilling to touch the programs he loves (defense spending) nor increase taxes by one penny.
In other words, you sacrifice. Me? Never.
As long as that is the position (from both sides) nothing will get done.
They key word in your post is "all" at it relates to spending. When someone comes forward and says, "I have a plan to reign in entitlement spending and to get you to consider it, my plan also increases taxes and reigns in defense spending" the plan will pass.
Until then, this is all academic.
Actually, the key words are cut vs reform
The problem is that when people "cut" spending, they usually just budget less money for the same activities rather than focus on less expensive but more targeted activities. This is exactly what we did in the 90s with Defense when we simply bought fewer airplanes, shrunk the army to 8 divisions, reduced the navy by 3 carrier groups etc. It left us entering the 2000s with a force that was not ready to counter a very real theeat from China and totally ill prepared for the new type of combat facing them in Iraq and Afgahnistan. Almost none of the critical systems in our arsenal today were available on 9/11/01 or were only available in very small quanities. Yet almost all of them were on the drawing board in the late 80s and early 90s. We could have "reformed" our military spending and had a more effective force for a fraction of the cost we ultimatley spent. The same dynamic plays out in many of our domestic programs. A grim joke among many policy analysts has been to recognize the U.S. has spent trillions in the war on poverty and as Katrina demonstrated; poverty is winning. We could probably save billions by focusing more attention on determining what works than arguing over how much to spend on programs that have been failing for 3 generations.
The big question is how do we "reform" health care delivery to reduce expenditures without "cutting" our citizens' ability to live longer and healthier. One of the goals of Medicare Part D was (is?) to move treatment of chronic illnesses (particularly heart desease but others as well) from cost intensive hospital settings based on surgery and machines to less expensive home based settings based on pharmecuticals. There was discussion among Hill staff at the time as to whether CBO could/should score some sort of savings given the camparative caosts between surgery and drugs. CBO declined on the basis that without longitudinal studies, there was no way to know whether surgey was prevented or merely delayed by the drugs. As a budgeteer, I think CBO made the right call; but I also tend to think Part D may eventually score as an effective entitlement spending "reform" despite the intial upfront costs.
I think Ryan's roadmap has more strengths than weaknesses and I understand the tradeoffs he had to make on some of his proposals. I also understand the art of staking out an extreme position that allows room to move toward the center rather than preemptively conceding too much gorund, leaving yourself no where to go but the far left. Ryan's plan may not be perfect but it is a good starting point for negotiations. Now it will be interesting to see what sort of reforms, or cuts, are included in the counteroffer.
Bet on the Greek outcome for
Bet on the Greek outcome for America.
Who didn't see this coming in the 1980s?
The solution had to come during the Reagan years -- and it didn't. All else is demographics and logrolling porkocracy.